Where would it be, who would live there, how would you live together?
A forest (as far from the city as possible) with moving water is where I want my permanent community. Full of diverse, dependable, independent & dependent, creative, adaptive people. People who share cultures, traditions, meals, companionship, & still love each other when s#!+ hits the fan. There would be multiple types of houses/homes; yurt, dirt, log, mixture of any. There’d be individual homes, shared homes, guest homes, & plenty of space for people passing through with tents. Our power/electricity would be of natural resources solar, wind, water, & anything else we can come up with. We’d have a large, shared food garden & many flower gardens. My desired community would also help other communities in need, near & far.
Mine will be off grid in the middle of the desert, I’m planning an education center to learn about and practice ancient planting and technologies which include water harvesting and foraging. The community will be rotating but want to be focus on sovereignty, diversity, and introvert friendly.
My ideal community would be about 50 people, with a central common area and individual homes within walking distance (half mile) of it. In the common area there would be a kitchen, workshop, library, meeting area, and a dormitory where people live who don’t want their own house or are there more temporarily. The common area could maybe be the only place connected to the internet or utility grid, and our homes could be simpler, smaller, more natural.
The community would grow food for itself and to sell, and have other small businesses so most people wouldn’t have to have outside jobs. We’d also have a school, church, recreational activities, so we could work, learn, worship, and play together; no one would have to do all of those with the community and those from outsice the community could join in some of those activities, but the opportunity would be there to do just about everything without driving somewhere.
My favorite locations would be here in southern Indiana, or the pacific northwest or near the smoky mountains (TN, NC). I’d like level ground for gardens and ball field, but to be surrounded by mountains. A stream or pond, suitable for swimming and fish would be good. I also really like trees.
My ideal community would be one sitting on about 5 to 10 acres of land. This land would be held in an irrevocable trust that required those living on the land to use permaculture practices in order to live there. There would be about 20 adults of all different ages living on this land. All the adults living on this land would be partners in a business venture wherein all of their extra money would go toward the businesses that they owned in the partnership. Each partner would earn equity in the partnership by either working at a 9-5 job somewhere else or could work on the estate as a gardener or daycare worker, or a cook etc.
This community would have an elder care program and a child care program. Once a partner earned enough equity in the partnership, there would be a provision where you could surrender your partnership stake in exchange for permanent elder care status. In other words, you would have earned the right to be cared for, for the rest of your life. In this way, the wealth would be transferred, in tact, from one generation to the next but the old folks would be taken care of by the group.
This partnership agreement would take care of housing, food, healthcare, entertainment and transportation. The land and housing could be leased from the trust by the partnership as a business asset. The partnership would live like a commune, but because the partnership would have rules for accountability and hard work, and these things would have to be accounted for, the partnership would be able to buy out anyone who left or was kicked out, and they could leave and their equity would be bought out by the partnership. But the managing partner would be able to assign rates of equity accrual that matched up with how much the partner contributed to the partnership.
The debt could be eliminated in a matter of a few years, and then the improvements on the land would be made with an eye toward self sufficiency and making sure the partners feel like they are living in paradise.
In my ideal community, there would be one or two large houses, where all the partners would have there own ‘motel room’ style space. They could have a small bathroom, bedroom, and kitchenette. In this way, when someone is just really in need of privacy, like we all are sometime, they could always just hang out in there own living quarters. There would be several commons areas for games and meals. There would be an activities committee that would be in charge of making sure there were fun and games taking place every week where we could bond with each other from time to time.
The idea would be to make these little villa type estates so beautiful and luxurious that more people would want to join. If we create a demand for more people to join than we can accommodate, then we buy another plot of land and split. If the new plot is owned by a permaculture ruled irrevocable trust, then doing this over and over again, will help save the planet.
So far, we have 4 acres and a small garden. We are off grid, producing our own electricity. We have a partnership agreement but we need to expand it and add a greenhouse and a large orchard. We also need to build a daycare and recruit some people to join. This all seems like a decades long project. Maybe we’ll see some progress before we die.
Love the introvert-friendly aspect! We need more introvert-friendly communities in the world!!!
Hermit community in the wild, in the woods, preferably in a very warm climate to promote 100% self-sufficiency year-round or more. Buddhist-friendly community with lots of quiet space for meditation. The land would gradually be morphed into a beautiful magical permaculture garden of food and flowers, coexisting with the forest (and forest garden). Diet would be unprocessed, there would be no (or very minimal) “conventional waste” produced because shopping for food (or much else for that matter) will barely be done by anyone in the community - only at the beginning stage when setting it up.
This is perhaps leaning towards a primitive lifestyle without TV, and with minimal use of other technology. 100% of electricity from solar panels (or other innovative ways now or in the future that I am perhaps not aware of?). Artificial light will barely be used to allow people to tune in with the natural cycles of light, learning to work with it (again this depends on where in the world this will be).
No need for shared meals, only once in a while if it is so agreed. Connecting with others does no necessitate eating at the same time, but focus can be placed on intentional play, fun, and more calm connecting. People would be mostly living their own lives (as hermits) but regularly coming together, each participating at the level they feel comfortable, to work on common projects and shared areas - projects that could also extend beyond the community itself, for example cocreating with neighbouring indigenous people etc. Emphasis is however placed on working on own gardens and living areas, especially at first. Utilising human waste in the highest possible way, whichever will be suitable for that climate. This depends on future research. For example, humanure, terra preta etc. Although I am a mostly vegan eater myself, I recognise that depending on the climate hunting may be sensible in some cases if living 100% self-sufficiently, but if we-the group of people drawn to each to work on this vision together would prefer a vegetarian/vegan community, I wouldn’t mind either way as long as it works with self-sufficiency and sustainability values.
Here’s a preliminary description of my vision. Connect if you share many of its components! And let’s build it together!
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Introducing The Wimmin
It isn’t so long ago, or so far away, not really. In that timespace there is no word for fear. In villages and towns, on the land, in the woods, on the shores, fear is unknown. On the plains, in the hills, along the rivers, fear does not exist. On the roads and in the homes, there is no need for fear. Seasons and temperatures make no difference, nor does the lightness of sunrise or the dark of night. This is the world of the Wimmin.
The Wimmin know grief for there are partings,
The Wimmin know regret for in any time or place
hasty words can be spoken.
The Wimmin know disappointment for not always
does anyone get everything wanted or in the way expected.
The Wimmin understand hardship for the weather can be bitter and
even here the crops can fail and sickness can come into a body. Yet,
they don’t call these things hardships as we would. To them these are
cycles of life.
Anger is not unknown. There are momentary sparks quickly released
and aimed at no one and no thing.
There is no fear of hunger for grains are stored for the lean years. Never
among the wimmin does one starve while others are sated.
Since all have what is needed, there is no fear of loss.
Since all are respected and treated with kindness, there is no fear of
In the Wimmin there is no word for fear—for there is nothing to fear,
no one to fear, to envy, to be jealous of, no one to distain or despise, no
one to outwit or defeat or even to defend against.
In a people who do not fear, giving and sharing bring the greatest joy.
Assisting each other and working together in good spirit, laughter and
song is a given.
For a people who do not fear, all that is done is creative, expansive.
Planting, building, celebrating, making clothing, crafting homes and
earthware and baskets and adornments. Using colors, textures, rocks or
shells, grasses or woods, fabrics or clays, fingers or knives. All is done in the
ease of there-is-always-plenty-of-time to make things beautiful, to make
them just right, to go with the maker’s imagination, to savor the making.
The Wimmin labor for themselves and for each other, their work always of
the essentials— shelter, food, satisfaction, laughter, creativity, connection.
Since all use according to need, there is no waste. Since each uses what
she needs, no more or less, there are no shortages.
Since all trust in each other, there is no hoarding. Profit is quite beyond
the comprehension of the Wimmin.
Among the Wimmin happiness is highly regarded. Although they would be surprised we even note that, for what is there besides joy and appreciation of life, of each other, of the Earth. Joy is connection, the Wimmin live in connection. They know no other way.
All is done from the heart, is given from the heart, is enjoyed from the heart. And the heart is a most creative place. When there is no fear, the heart can be most open indeed.
To the Wimmin there is no question but to attend the tiniest first feelings of imbalance or dis-ease whether in themselves or each other.
The Wimmin’s days are filled with appreciation, with the big and little, alone and together celebrations—some quiet, some downright rowdy, in the laughing and dancing sense, of course.
The Wimmin appreciate, and even more than that treasure and take delight in themselves, each other, the Earth, every part of their lives. Although they do not know the word, compassion fills the lives of the Wimmin—for the joys and agonies of one are felt by all.
Another word the Wimmin do not know is Lesbian. Yet, these wimmin love other wimmin from the very depths of their being. The Wimmin know Love.
Not so long ago there is no word for fear. Can we for a moment imagine a world, a life, a society without fear? On the surface no and no again. Yet, look a little deeper— feel that sigh, feel the heart expand, feel the start-ofa-smile, feel the tears just behind the eyes. The Knowing of this Life is in us. We can touch it, remember it. And, we can help to create it, live it again. For I am of the Wimmin as are you.
Not so long ago, or so far away, not really, the Wimmin live on the land and in villages, unable to imagine fear. Knowing only connection, creativity and celebration. They call it life. Perhaps it is time for us also to once again live. Shall we live, build our lives— together.
Sinister Wisdom #72 issue
My ideal community
Where will it be?
My ideal community would be located in a remote area outside the reach of any human laws in the vicinity of Southern New York or Long Island. Of course such a place does not exist yet. My place in the foothills of the Catskill mountains will have to do for now.
Who would live there?
I would like to be joined by followers of Jesus who love God and one another and who have a common purpose of creating a new, more just world based on the love and forgiveness of God rather than the evil, demonic, coercive, deceptive and exploitative realm of human rule. That probably doesn’t exist anywhere either, so we will accept anyone who is willing to learn and who is committed to following Jesus as best we can.
How would you live together?
Everyone is created in the image of God, so everyone has equal value. Therefore, no one can have dominion over another. When everyone follows God’s law to love one another, there is no need for human laws. When decisions are made by those who are affected by them, no one needs to make decisions for anyone else.
Money and Property
The worship of money has taken grotesk proportions in the world today. Jesus repeatedly encourages us to get rid of it and adopt an economy based on gifts where everyone can get their needs met when everyone contribute according to their ability. No need to assign a value to anything. Everything belongs to God anyway. We are just stewards and caretakers.
We will seriously re-define work. Yes, there are tasks that need to be done for us to get our basic needs met. They will be assigned according to skills and talents. When they have been done, we will take turns doing the rest. More importantly, though, we will make sure there is ample time to work on our relationships with God, each other as well as our neighbors.
Since the traditional servant/master model of employment is exploitative, we will seek to rely on either our own production or exchange of goods with other similar nearby communities based on need and without assigning a value.
Breaking bread together is an essential part of living in community so we will do that as often as we can which is all the time. We do not have dietary restrictions other than delicious and nutritious food, but will try to accommodate people with special needs.
We generally believe we can accomplish more together than we can individually and that is how we approach all things. That is how we approach childcare, education, elder care, etc., etc.
Of course, such a place doesn’t exist yet either. A few come close and I will continue to work in that direction and encourage anyone like-minded to reach out for possible collaboration.
That’s alot of what I already prefer in starting a community. Although, mine would involve cutivating an oasis in the desert or high plains.
The community I’m working to build and my ideal are two different things. My ideal is an off-grid, mostly self-sufficient group raising much of their food. But none of us have the spoons for that. Many of us have mobility or health issues
The community we are designing is a walkable, slow paced living community. We have small homes (possibly hobbit hole style) and a large community building. Cooking at home is allowed, but eating in the commons is encouraged since 3 people cooking is more efficient than 20-50. The commons also has a movie room, a library, a craft room and offices. There won’t be any large scale farming, but permaculture and food forests can be built in.
We are a pagan group, so we would have a worship area, and possibly a permanent labyrinth.
Where? We are looking at Colorado, Minnesota, Illinois and Upstate New York, since these states have laws friendly to AFAB people, trans people, and the LGBT community. We need to be close enough to a city for medical needs, and work.
My vision is more 23rd century verse 15th century. I want to develop a community that embraces technology and uses it for sustainability and efficiency. I want to focus on developing technology and resources that are not just eco friendly but sustainable. This means rebuilding processes from the ground up so literally everything is recyclable, repurposeable, repairable and just generally lasts forever. This means avoiding things like epoxy resin and silicone adhesives which are not recyclable or reusable and making more things with glass, metals, and plastics that can be reused, repurposed or recycled. This philosophy would be used in everything from housing to cookware to clothing. In addition to doing this inside the community the goal would be the share this knowledge and development process with the world with video tutorials, local community engagement and by providing education opportunities. Essentially it’s an attempt to bridge our current society with that of a post scarcity society that resembles but isn’t a recreation of startrek.
I’m call the idea Titan Makers which is a play off words in that the concept is based in the idea of repurposing a disused military ICBM Titan 1 site and it’s really a very complex maker space that will be focused on BIG “titan sized” ideas. You can read more about it here for the moment. Titan makers Overview Google Drive
ayyyy. same ‘hat.’ Looking to form an intentional community in Southern California
My ideal community… my brainstorm:
I’ve visited a few monasteries and I wish that I could live in a community somewhat like a monastery, having a similar vibe but for laypersons (singles, families, couples, etc).
Mindfulness is practiced and quietude is valued.
- Co-housing (separate dwellings)
- Mild and/or somewhat short winters
- No pets/animals
- Rural area (not super far away from stores and whatnot)
- Walking paths
- A common building (possibly for community meals, presentations, classes)
- A common outbuilding/shelterhouse for outdoor activities and gatherings